BEER and EVANGELISM

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I am a Christian husband and father, who moonlights as the minister for the church of Christ in Childress, Texas. My wife Lea and I have been married for 25 years. We are doing our best to raise our 4 boys, who are all growing up way too fast. Read 1182 articles by
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  1. Anonymous says:

    Sadly, I’m not surprised. That’s ridiculous. Of course the church is growing. We’d grow by leaps and bounds too if we offered alcohol with the semon. Pitiful.

    Paula

  2. lisa leichner says:

    I’ve seen that article before, and I agree that it’s unfortunate.

    Hey, by the way! Not too many people out today, huh?

  3. Anonymous says:

    That’s unbelievable! The church may be growing, but no one can remember the point of the sermon!

    Lisa, I’m with you – Where is everyone? We know that Brian declared a Blogfast but did he take everyone with him?

    -nb

  4. TREY MORGAN says:

    It’s been really quiet today. Probably good. I haven’t been around a lot either.

    Hope you guys had a great day!

  5. The Preacher's Household: says:

    I spent all day going through my Mom’s closets and storage helping her decide what to garage sell. I have a pile that I guess I’ll put on top of my van. But, I was going to spend my birthday money on a new lawn chair and shoes, but after today, it looks like I don’t have to! My sister and I also split up the sentimental stuff she was ready to get rid of. I think we got along well and didn’t fight at all. That is an accomplishment.
    Is this the post James told you about?
    Kathy

  6. The Preacher's Household: says:

    Yes, this is the same group. I would like to discuss this effort in a civil conversation. I am not wanting to argue. The responses so far totally discount the church and making an effort.

    I am aware that many think any alcohol is a sin. Much of our world does not. If that is where the conversation needs to start maybe we could discuss that.

    If we can set aside the sin question and assume that not every one who drinks is sinning than is this a way to reach out. Go where the people are and build bridges. This is a gathering it is not a worship service. Is it different to go to a coffee house and evangelize than to meet people at this brewery?

    What other options are open for reaching out and going? Where is appropriate?
    (Trey I hope you don’t mindm asking these questions)
    James

  7. Anonymous says:

    Not that my opinion means a whole lot, but I think this is totally different than having coffee with worship. Whether using alcohol is a sin or not does not matter. Alcohol helps destroy people and families and I think it would be wrong to promote something like that in the church. It just sends the wrong message. I am all for reaching out to people on their terms, but… it just seems as though the church is going too far on this one.

    For most people, it wouldn’t work. Try going into a bar and telling people about God. You can’t trust or reason with people who are under the influence. Really you can’t. But they will make lots of empty promises to you and God.

    Look at it this way – You wouldn’t turn your church into a brothel to reach prostitutes so don’t turn your church into a bar to reach those influenced by alcohol.

    Just my opinion.

    -NB

  8. Anonymous says:

    Okay, so I just caught the remark about this being a gathering and not a worship service. To be fair, I reread the article. But my opinion is still the same. I don’t really think that the people who would come, will understand the difference or care what you call it. It is still promoting something that has the potential to destroy and it gives people another excuse to make poor choices. Only this time they can blame their church.

    -NB

  9. TREY MORGAN says:

    James,

    I couldn’t remember if this was the story you mentioned or not. I knew you had something about it at one time. I saw the story again yesterday while reading the news articles. Thought it made for some interesting reading.

    I think there is more I’d like to ask this church. Things that aren’t talked about in this article. I wonder if they are reaching out, then teaching Jesus. Are they providing counseling for those adicted? There’s a lot of questions.

    I love the fact that they are reaching out, but I struggle so much with alcohol. I have in so many ways seen the dark, ugly and evil side of it. I have yet to see the beautiful side. I’ve done funerals for two of my closest friends in the world. Both died very early all because of alcohol. I’ve counseled so many beaten and battered wives that have been abused by druken husbands. I’ve sat in divorce court and watched the kid’s hearts ripped out seeing their mom and dad divorce over one of them being an alcoholic. I’ve studied with men in prison that say they are there because the crime they committed they committed while drunk.

    I just struggle with this drug so much. I’ve seen so much damage it has done. Because of this, it’s hard for me to see positive things from it.

    I know there are many who drink. There are many in the church and many of my friends that do. I’m not going to say “good Christians don’t” or “your bad if you do,” but “as for me and my house” as Joshua said, I don’t want that stuff around.

    Sorry, I know I’ve given a lot of just my opinion. But sometimes you just have to speak from the heart.

  10. Dee O'Neil Andrews says:

    Trey –

    I’ve just come to your blog from Brian Nicklaus’s blog and see that you’re a minister in Childress. My dad was born in Childress and my son-in-law spent all of last year as the minister on up and over in Wellington, Texas, not far from you. They (my daughter and husband) have now gone back to McKinney, where they are members of High Pointe cofC and where my son-in-law is looking for a job back in his field, which is computer programming, etc.

    I grew up in the lower Texas panhandle over in Abernathy, Texas, which is just north of Lubbock. I come out there often because I still have family in Lubbock and Abernathy and come see my mom and sister in Abilene as often as I can.

    I’ve been through Childress many times growing up and know exactly where it is. My daughter and son-in-law were through there many times last year between Wellington and McKinney (which is just north of Plano on I-75 and east of Denton).

    I like your blog and your post of today is very interesting. I have to agree with you and your commenters who think that promoting alcohol in any way (even indirectly) is not a good thing to do, and I’m not opposed to drinking for those who handle it well and are safe with it. But I understand as an attorney and former journalist, as you do from your experiences as a minister, what negative consequences are imposed upon not only those who cannot handle alcohol, but also those who must live with them and are subject to its abuses. Thus, I don’t equate having coffee houses and the like for meeting places with having gatherings for worship in any form in brewerys or places where alcohol is consumed by the public like that.

    As I say, I am not against the use of alcohol if and by people who can and do use it safely, and I drink wine occasionally, but do not believe that the promotion of it in any way leads to benefits as a Christian in trying to reach others. It would be more in the promotion of abstinence from the use of alcohol that we would find rewards and benefits, I think.

    Good post and good blog! Drop by and visit Finding Direction: The Wind Vane Chronicles” sometime! I write “Wind Vane” stories about West Texas sometimes about life out there when I was growing up on a cotton farm. You might be able to relate a bit, friend.

    Cheers & Blessings! Dee

  11. TREY MORGAN says:

    Dee,

    Glad you ran across the blog. You got to watch out for that Brian Nicklaus guy so I hear (kidding).

    I’m sure there are lots of people here that would remember your dad. And as for Abernathy, my wife has family there. I grew up in Amarillo, went to school and Lubbock and have lived in the panhandle of Texas all my life.

    Pretty small world. I’m looking forward to checking out your blog.

    One of these days when you’re through Childress, swing by and I’ll buy you a cup of coffee and a donut.

    Blessings

  12. lisa leichner says:

    Wow, I’ve never been offered a cup of coffee and a donut. Kidding! Had to give you a hard time since you joked about my friend Brian. 😉

    I think alcohol is a difficult thing to talk about in the church because it’s one of those gray areas (in my opinion, though not in everyone’s). I know Christians who drink occasionally, responsibly, but some people are dead set against having any at all, and my parents will probably be distressed to know that I’ve had a drink from time to time (like, on average, twice a year since I’ve been married). Some of us say that it is okay for those who can use it responsibly, but how is that fair to those who fight an addiction to it? (not arguing with Dee, as I’ve said it before too, just thinking out loud, wondering if anyone has an answer about Christians & alcohol …)

    NB had a good point about not turning a church gathering into a brothel to reach prostitutes — is there a way to go where lost are without promoting the behavior they’re partaking in?

  13. Bob Bliss says:

    I’m not sure I would offer beer since it would draw a coarser crowd. Maybe white wine would draw a more sophisticated crowd that would fit in with our congregations better.

  14. TREY MORGAN says:

    Bob thanks for the smile :)

    PS – Where you been?

  15. The Preacher's Household: says:

    I appreciate the responses. One of my questions was where else might we go. I know some who are doing the coffee house thing. Where else are the unchurched where we can interact.

    A couple of years ago, in a Wednesday night class, I posed the question how can we be evangelistic at a basketball game. It was a productive conversation. The biggest problem other than checking attitudes at the game was the interaction factor. People are there to watch the game.

    Sports are big here but they all tend to be like this. So, where do people interact in this day and age? Bars/resturants, coffee houses, being on line are soome of the answers I have seen.

    I am clear on the potential evil effects of alcohol. I just wanted to see whqat we might try. We have got to think outside the box.

    James

  16. TREY MORGAN says:

    James,

    I understand exactly where your coming from. I understand thinking outside the box. I appreciate your thoughts on this.

    I think evangelism comes through relationships. 90% of those who are new Christians are there through relationships. Where and how you build those relationships is the hard question.

    I think this would make a great post. “How we reach out.” Any ideas?

  17. Chris says:

    I read your blog before leaving for work this morning. I thought it would be good to meditate on the article and give it some thought before I made my comments.

    Well, to be honest, after thinking about it during my hour drive to work, I have mixed emotions about what I read in the article. While it is the cast that I understand the need to “meet” people where they are and “lead” them to Jesus, I don’t think Jesus intended for us to provide the atmosphere mentioned in this article. I have no issue whatsoever with utilizing the basement of a brewery, a casino or any such thing to hold a “church” service. I believe there is a difference between reaching out and welcoming sinful people and hosting a service of this nature. I like thinking outside the box, so to speak, I just don’t know if outside the box and into the “mug” is a very good choice.

    However, I will continue to let this one SOAK in, who knows, I might get giddy about this idea.

  18. Bob Bliss says:

    Trey, I’ve been doing the “campaign follow up” bit. Plus life seems rather hectic for the moment. We’re going to visit Lisa this Thursday.

    I agree with your idea about relationships, Trey. It seems we are too “gimmick” oriented for the moment. Today it’s beer, tomorrow it’s white wine, and the next day who knows what. If we use gimmicks to attract people then we will become addicted to gimmicks and we will continually need new horizons to exploit. I don’t know how to get a congregation to focus solely on developing real relationships that can be used as an avenue for evangelism. Maybe I don’t preach on it enough. I certainly try to do it myself. In New Jersey I baptized two couples because I developed a real relationship with them. We did things together (dinner as an example), some visiting, some teaching, letting them get to know other people in the congregation, and it worked on them.

    Maybe we should have a blogfest (the opposite of a blogfast) on evangelism. One day we all blog about things that we or our congregation have done on evangelism. Just a thought.

  19. The Preacher's Household: says:

    Trey, amen on the relationships.

    Chris, good transition from thte box to the mug.

    Bob, I like the idea of a blogfest.

    Looking forward to futher discussions.
    James

  20. Anonymous says:

    Sorry if I was too strong with my opinion. Didn’t mean to be critical.
    -nb

  21. TREY MORGAN says:

    nb … no apologies necessary.

    I do like the idea of blogfest on evangelism

  22. Robert D. Lukenbill, III says:

    I like the idea of coffee house meetings so to speak. Why not go where the majority of young americans are spending their mornings or would like to spend some part of their day? As far as gathering to drink, I can’t find one scripture in my Bible that forbids the partaking of an occasional beer, but I can find several references to drunkeness being sinful. We should focus on the over indulgence of many things in this life. How many broken families are the result of two income families? How many broken families are the result of one parent falling in love with their spouse at work? We can play that game all day long, but the bottom line is that people are responsible for their over indulgence not the substance that God has blessed us with in this life.

  23. TREY MORGAN says:

    Robert,

    Thanks so much for adding your two-cents worth. I appreciate you taking the time to stop by and share your thoughts. I hope you’ll stop back by!

    Trey

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